Tuesday, February 20, 2007
Death and Politics
We lose no more soldiers in Iraq than we would lose, on average, through training accidents, other accidents, and other causes. In other words, soldiers are no less safe (or no more in danger) in Iraq than they are anywhere else.
Sound incredible? It shouldn’t.
Because our soldiers are in Iraq, they are a target for terrorist attack, just as they are virtually anywhere in the world, and have been for two to three decades. Just as are diplomats, business people, and journalists.
The original impetus for Jonah’s post is what he describes as “a powerful op-ed,” written by Alicia Colon in the NY Sun. More on that article later. Jonah updates his original post, passing on feedback from a reader, providing detail to back up the assertion that more soldiers died from 1993-1996 than have died during the equivalent period from 2003 to present.
Here’s the reader’s contribution:
You asked for more information on military deaths. Here is a table of all military deaths, broken down by cause, over the 25 year period 1980-2004. This includes all active duty and reservists.The gist is that soldiers are more likely to die from accidents than hostile action (combat and terrorist actions combined). The death count from accidents has been lower than the death count from hostile action. The fall in accidental deaths is greater than the increase in deaths by hostile action.Note that there were far more military deaths in 1980, the last year of Carter's presidency, than any year of the current administration. The death rate was, also, higher. This was because of lower standards and less care in training.The bottom line is that we're fighting this war with lower casualties than that expected from normal training accidents in a peacetime army. You should be embarassed that you didn't know this. It's a testiment to the near universal innumeracy and incompetence of the journalism profession that most journalists haven't even seriously considered looking at basic statistics and putting things in context 5 1/2 years after 9/11.I can’t say that I’ve seen this data previously, or any such like it, but I have often remarked that I didn’t think we were losing soldiers at much more than the background rate we would, had those same soldiers been training or in a garrison environment.
And here's a DOD pdf on death rates.
Partly, this may be due to my prejudice towards always assuming the American Media will always pay attention to the wrong thing, and encourage the public to draw conclusions to those wrong things exactly 180 degrees from what should really be concluded. (Airbags and the scare involving the handfuls of deaths versus the many thousands they prevent is the usual subject for my rantings along these lines.)
But it is helpful to have data to backup what many of us know without seeing the data. We are accomplishing much at very little expense, comparatively, however much we grieve at the loss of many fine Americans who have volunteered to serve and paid the ultimate price.
Which brings me back to Alicia Colon’s fine essay in the NY Sun, Heroes and Cowards.
Here’s how she starts, which ought to shake some political timbers in Washington:
Corporal Thomas Saba was buried in the Moravian Cemetery on Staten Island last Friday. One of seven Marines killed when their helicopter was shot down in Iraq on February 7, Saba, 30, enlisted in the spring of 2002 in response to the attacks of September 11, 2001. He extended his five-year tour by five months so that he could go with his squadron to Iraq.Cowardly politicians. Ones on both sides of the aisle, who calculate first the political opportunity or risk to their personal ambitions, before any (if any) consideration of more moral equations.
It is absolutely amazing how America can continue to produce heroes such as Saba while electing cowardly politicians who mock their sacrifices.
But in the interest of factual clarity, and in rebuke of the lies Democrats and their craven Republican cohorts in Congress are spreading about Iraq, here’s some data from Colon’s essay (backed up by the data referenced by The Corner and mentioned previously):
The total military dead in the Iraq war between 2003 and this month stands at about 3,133. This is tragic, as are all deaths due to war, and we are facing a cowardly enemy unlike any other in our past that hides behind innocent citizens. Each death is blazoned in the headlines of newspapers and Internet sites. What is never compared is the number of military deaths during the Clinton administration: 1,245 in 1993; 1,109 in 1994; 1,055 in 1995; 1,008 in 1996. That's 4,417 deaths in peacetime but, of course, who's counting?I am outraged at the blatant lies, misrepresentations, and misreporting that leaves such perspective conspicuously absent in any major reporting about our efforts in Iraq. That all this media malfeasance is prompted by obvious intent to support narrow political agenda and objectives, is beyond outrage. It is as near to treasonous as we will likely ever see in our lifetimes. That Congressmen and women aid, abet, sponsor, and direct these fifth-column-acting-like-fourth-column elements is beyond belief, and completely indescribable.
They will have their Vietnam, Senators Kennedy and Schumer, Speaker Pelosi and her stooge Congressman Murtha, no matter what it takes in betrayal, disloyalty, breaks of faith, dishonor, discredit, or infamy. They are that remnant from the Vietnam era, selfish and self-centered while pretending a giant lie of altruism, who are trying to relive their glory days in a different, 12 September world. As Colon observes:
It is so pathetic now (while we have this valiant volunteer military) to watch these hoary relics of the 1960s trying to recapture the relevance of that period.Pathetic, and a disgrace to those who serve with honor.
Support the troops. Let them win.
(Cross posted at MILBLOGS)
Linked by Mudville Gazette's Dawn Patrol, and Jules Crittenden also comments on the NY Sun article.
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This just isn't true. Over the last 25 years, the safety record of the US military in peacetime has improved dramatically, and the number of deaths from accidents and illnesses has dropped a huge amount. The Iraq War has erased that.
Here's a short demonstration of that fact:
US military fatalities, 1998-2000: 2,381.
US military fatalities, 2003-2005: 5,076.
You can find a longer one, including a detailed graph, here.
You would be right to say that our losses in Iraq are low compared to other wars we have fought, and that some of those soldier would have died anyway without hostile action. But stretching it claim the number of fatalities to be a wash undermines that argument, IMHO.
http://libertas01.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/non-binding-resolution-treason-in-a-time-of-war/
That wouldn't have anything to do with troop levels being cut roughly in half during that period would it? Of course not...
The first sign of bad/bogus statistics is comparison of absolute numbers rather than rates.
But the number of accidental fatalities in Iraq would probably not be higher if the soldiers were in the US (indeed, it would probably be a bit lower). Even subtracting out deaths by accident, you have the remaining majority of deaths by combat, which would not be occurring if we were not at war.*
So while it is true that US military deaths were higher, say, 25 years ago, that is because operations are generally safer and the military is smaller now. On a net basis, of course the Iraq war has cost US lives, about 2,500 of them.
*As of 02/20/07, 2556 US have been killed by combat actions, 594 dead in accidents and other causes. http://www.icasualties.org/oif/stats.aspx
Also in that view I found a wonderful WaPo analysis in 1999 that looked at what the various Elites expected the Public could bear as deaths attributable to military operations and one cited was 'Preventing Iraqi WMD'. The Military Elites (retired armed forces folks gone into punditry) had thought about 6,000 or so dead on average to do this. The Civilian Elite (the talking heads punditry) put it at about 19,000 dead. Asking the general public gets you just a hair under 30,000 dead. Mind you that is 'acceptable deaths' and it was *only* to remove WMD capability from Iraq. Earlier in Bosnia the public was polled on how many dead they thought had already happened in 'peacekeeping' there: the average was 125. The ACTUAL number was ZERO. It seems that the US Public expects deaths to happen due to combat when troops are put in such situations.
If people are so worried about deaths of US Citizens, then perhaps it is time we all live in caves, in deserts and as far away from other people as possible. But then I am also the person who sees 'The Big One' in California as only the Fifth worst thing that can happen to North America in the death and destruction realm. And global warming folks can go take a hike on the human caused side of things and rework their timeframe, because it is woefully inadequate.
If you want to save lots of lives in America, get 10% of the population to properly wash their hands, clean cuts and scrapes and not die of septicemia. That will save more annually than we have lost in 9/11 and all of the combat since *combined* per year. But doing as mommy told you to do just isn't glamorous, fun, exciting, and something to get on a soapbox about. Still if you do that, the life you save will be your own.
The total military death RATE 2001-2004 is 36% higher than it was 1993-2000. That might seem like a lot to some folks, but the fact that we're at war might have something to do with it.
The total death rate increase under Bush means that, statistically, 2154 more troops have died than would have died had the rate from the Clinton years gone unchanged. That's a lot of troops.
Except that, when you consider over 3500 have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, it means that the increase is LESS than the combat zone totals account for. If critics want to argue what these numbers mean, that fact needs to be accounted for.
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